The Cooper Companies, Inc. (COO) Q4 2018 Earnings Conference Call Transcript

The Cooper Companies, Inc. (NYSE: COO)Q4 2018 Earnings Conference CallDec. 6, 2018, 5:00 p.m. ET

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q4 2018 The Cooper Companies Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session and our instructions will be given at that time. If during the conference today you require operator assistance, please press "*0" and an operator will be happy to assist you. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.

It is now my pleasure to hand the conference over to Ms. Kim Duncan, Vice President, Investor Relations and Administration. Ma'am, you may begin.

Kim Duncan -- Vice President of Investor Relations and Administration

Good afternoon and welcome to The Cooper Companies Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2018 Earnings Conference Call. During today's call, we will discuss the results included in the earnings release, along with our 2019 guidance, and then use the remaining time for Q&A. Our presenters on today's call are Al White, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Andrews, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements, including all revenue and earnings per share guidance and other statements regarding anticipated results of operations, market or regulatory conditions, and integration of any acquisitions or failure to achieve anticipated benefits. Forward-looking statements depend on assumptions, data, or methods that may be incorrect or imprecise and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Events that could cause our actual results and future actions of the company to differ materially from those described in forward-looking statements are set forth under the caption "Forward-Looking Statements" in today's earnings release and are described in our SEC filings, including Cooper's Form 10-K, all of which are available on our website at coopercos.com.

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Should you have any additional questions following the call, please call our investor line at 925-460-3663 or email ir@coopercos.com. And now I'll turn the call over to Al for his opening remarks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Kim, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our Fourth Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. This was a year of record revenues, earnings per share, and free cash flow. I'm proud of our team for everything we accomplished and believe we're extremely well-positioned with our growth strategies firmly intact and momentum on our side as we enter fiscal 2019.

The fourth quarter was a continuation of what we've been discussing regarding capitalizing on current market conditions through incremental sales and marketing investments to win new fits within CooperVision and driving strong performance of Paragard within CooperSurgical. Overall, our strategic investments are paying off and I'm happy with our revenue growth rates and momentum.

Having said that, gross margins at CooperVision did come in below expectations this quarter and, at a high level, there were two reasons. The first relates to our desire to maintain extremely high customer service shipping levels in the fact of our significant distribution center upgrade activity. The redundancies we've added to accomplish this have resulted in higher costs butt I strongly believe the importance of maintaining premium customer service is more important than the negative short-term impact.

Second, the rapid growth in our daily silicone hydrogel franchise resulted in incremental charges against legacy hydrogel products due to things like product discontinuations and lower production volumes. Brian will cover this in more detail but these items reduced EPS this quarter by $0.14.

Regarding revenues, we remain focused on driving success by capitalizing on our strong product portfolio and accelerating investments within both businesses. This activity helped support a very strong fourth quarter, with consolidated revenues of $652 million, up 16% year-over-year. Within this, CooperVision reported quarterly revenue of $481 million, up 9% or 10% pro forma, with a noticeable uptick in our daily silicone hydrogel lenses, showing pro forma growth of 50%, driven by accelerating growth in both Clarity and MyDay. CooperSurgical reported record revenue of $171 million, up 40% or up 5% pro forma, led by Paragard growing a healthy 20%.

Moving to the details, CooperVision posted very strong revenue growth in all three regions, with the Americas up 8%, EMEA up 9%, and Asia Pac up a strong, healthy 19%, all pro forma. The Americas strength was driven by Clarity and MyDay, with MyDay, in particular, gaining significant traction following the launch of the toric a few quarters ago. EMEA also saw accelerating sales for Clarity and MyDay, along with solid results from Biofinity and Avaira Vitality. Asia Pac continued posting strong results, driven by a jumping Clarity along with strength in MyDay and Biofinity. Growth in Asia Pac remained highly diversified from a geographic and product portfolio perspective and we're seeing strong returns on our investment activity in that region.

In other products and categories, Biofinity and Avaira combined to grow 7%, with strength seen in a number of markets around the world. Torics grew 11% and multifocals grew 7%, all pro forma.

Turning to the broader soft contact lens market, which has now reached $8.5 billion in revenues on a trailing 12-month basis, we're continuing to see strong growth, led by the shift to daily silicone hydrogel lenses, broader product offerings, and geographic expansion. Daily lenses continue driving the majority of the growth and now account for roughly $4.4 billion, or 52%, of the market. And within dailies, silicone hydrogel lens are 30% of total daily revenues and continue to be the primary growth driver, growing 35%.

With respect to new fit data, CooperVision continued to see significant strength, especially with respect to daily silicones, so our momentum remains strong. Before moving to CooperSurgical, I want to spend a couple minutes on daily silicone hydrogel lenses, our key account strategy, and our efforts around customized product offerings.

Regarding daily silicone hydrogel lenses, growing this part of our business is extremely important and will remain so for many years. The shift to daily silicones from reusable lenses generates roughly 2-3 times more revenue and a 20%+ trade-up from daily hydrogels. This is great for the industry and I'd expect all contact lens manufacturers to share in this multiyear trade-up move as a rising tide should lift all boats. What's unique to Cooper, though, is our current market share within dailies is only 17%. This compares to the roughly 30% market share we retain in the reusable lens space and it shows, if we can get our fair share of new daily fits, we should see many years of strong growth. And obviously I believe we can do that with our current product portfolio and investment strategies and the new fit data supports that.

Regarding key accounts, which includes global retailers, regional chains, and large buying groups. I've had the opportunity to spend time with executives from several of these accounts recently and I'm extremely impressed with their strategic thinking and their desire to grow the contact lens category. We're going to continue supporting, and even strengthen our support of, these partnerships and I strongly believe these relationships will continue providing a win-win scenario, with CooperVision and our partners both experiencing long-term sustainable growth. As part of this effort, we did further accelerate our investments in key accounts during Q4, expanding our sales and support teams while increasing related promotional and advertising activity.

Lastly, regarding our customized product offerings, we're continuing to invest heavily to improve our distribution, labeling, and packaging capabilities. This includes several new distribution centers, including ones in Spain and the UK which just went live, expanding existing distribution centers in several locations, and completing numerous projects to increase automation in our facilities. We're completing all this activity while ensuring we maintain premier shipping levels to our existing customers so as not to disrupt our current sales momentum. We're also fiercely loyal to our independent practitioners, supporting them in many ways, including our unique digital marketing and support platforms, such as EyeCare Prime and our subscription model, Lensferry.

In summary, this activity is all focused on supporting our partners and shifting wares to CooperVision faster, remembering that a key part of this strategy is we operate in an annuity business, where the upfront cost of winning new patients more than pays for itself in the long run, given how long wearers stay in their lenses.

Moving to CooperSurgical, we reported record quarterly revenue of $171 million, up 40% or 5% pro forma. Within our office and surgical products business, revenues grew 12% pro forma, led by Paragard, up 20%.

Paragard was very strong this quarter, although some of that was due to channel inventory expansion as optimism about future demand is growing. It's tough to quantify the inventory impact but I do believe these inventory levels will hold steady, if not expand, as we continue promoting the product. Regarding sales activity, we continue to invest heavily through higher advertising and targeted promotional work and we added another ten sales reps this quarter, increasing our total rep count to 70, with 50 being direct and 20 being internal. We remain confident this product offer is a high-margin, multi-year growth opportunity and, as such, we're continuing to invest in it.

Outside of Paragard, our other office and surgical products grew a solid 7%, with continuing strength seen in several products, including our Endosee hysteroscope and our next-generation uterine manipulator, which both grew solid double digits.

Fertility was weaker than expected, down 6% pro forma, led by channel inventory contraction associated with consolidating distributors from our Life Global integration, along with product reregistrations tied to our new manufacturing facility in Costa Rica which is now producing product. We believe the vast majority of the distributor consolidation and reregistration activity is behind us and that we enter fiscal 2019 in a good position.

Also within fertility, our genomics business declined again this quarter, but the restructuring activity is finally behind us and the business is now highly focused on IVF clinics, with a roughly $40 million annual run rate, which should now be stable to trending higher. The important takeaway on fertility, in my opinion, is our business is healthy and we exit this year expecting mid- to upper-single-digit growth in fiscal 2019.

Speaking of fiscal 2019, Brian will cover guidance in detail but, on revenues, we're guiding CooperVision to 6% to 8% and CooperSurgical to 3% to 6%, both pro forma. I believe the contact lens industry will continue to be strong, growing in the 5% to 6% range, and we should certainly take market share. Frankly, I believe we'll be 7+%, but it's prudent this early in the year to guide to 6% to 8%.

In conclusion, I want to highlight that I'm really excited about our market positions for both CooperVision and CooperSurgical. We've entered fiscal 2019 from a position of strength and I believe our focus on growing revenues while investing in infrastructure puts us in an excellent position to deliver strong long-term shareholder returns for many years to come.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Brian G. Andrews -- Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Thank you, Al. Good afternoon, everyone. Most of my commentary will be on a non-GAAP basis so please refer to today's earnings release for a full reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results. Al covered revenues so I'll focus on the rest of the P&L and guidance.

For the quarter, consolidated gross margins improved year-over-year to 66.5%, up from 65.9% last year. Within that, CooperVision's gross margin declined 360 basis points to 64.1% from 67.7%, with the primary driver being currency, which was a 210 basis point drag. The remaining 150 basis points was split primarily between two items. First, internal freight and secondary handling costs were higher than normal, as we incurred significant costs associated with redundancies we implemented in order to maintain premium service levels while adding, expanding, and upgrading our distribution centers.

The second item was higher than expected inventory and equipment write-offs associated with older products as the shift to daily silicone hydrogel lenses is accelerating. As our legacy hydrogels decline, we'll continue to assess the speed of that activity and the impact on our manufacturing and inventory levels for legacy products. We expect costs in both of these areas to be higher than normal through fiscal 2019 before we start seeing leverage. Having said that, we expect to hurdle a significant portion of these costs, as you'll note in our guidance, which meets our prior commentary of low-double-digit constant currency operating income growth.

CooperSurgical gross margin improved significantly to 73.1%, up from 59.6% with the addition of Paragard along with improvements in product mix, as some of our higher margin medical device products are now becoming large enough to have a positive impact on our overall gross margins.

Regarding expenses, consolidated operating expenses increased 19.2%, driven by the acquisition of Paragard, along with significant investments in selling and marketing in both businesses and distribution within CooperVision. R&D was up 18.7%, reflecting new product development work, including activity around myopia management. Consolidated operating income grew 13.9% in the quarter, with operating margins at 26.7%.

Below operating income, we reported $20.3 million of interest expense and a 1.7 million FX loss due to negative currency moves against our intercompany loans. Our effective tax rate was 6.1%, which was lower than expected, primarily due to excess tax benefits from the exercising of stock options.

Non-GAAP EPS for the quarter was $2.87 with roughly 49.9 million average shares outstanding. Within this, FX was $0.31 negative year-over-year, which was $0.02 worse than we had forecasted last quarter in our guidance.

One other item I want to mention is a positive event but one which we excluded from our non-GAAP earnings this quarter, as it was a culmination of prior-period activity. This was the realization of $14.2 million in tax credits we received related to the development of MyDay in Puerto Rico. Based on the minimal tax benefit to us, we began selling the credits and received roughly $8 million in Q4 with additional proceeds coming this fiscal year. We realized the full gain of $14.2 million in our P&L this quarter in other income but excluded it from our non-GAAP EPS.

Moving to cash flow, we posted a very strong quarter of $193 million of free cash flow, comprised of $237 million of operating cash flow offset by $43 million of CapEx. This reduced net debt to $1.949 billion, with our bank defined leverage, or net debt to adjusted EBITDA, decreasing to 2.21 times.

Regarding full year fiscal 2018 results, consolidated revenues were $2.533 billion, up 18% or 7% pro forma. CooperVision revenues were $1.882 billion, up 12% or 8% pro forma, and CooperSurgical's revenues were $650.8 million, up 40% or 2% pro forma. Non-GAAP EPS was $11.50, up 19%, and free cash flow was strong at $475 million.

Moving to fiscal 2019, we're introducing guidance of consolidated revenues of $2.6 to $2.66 billion, which is comprised of $1.94 billion to $1.98 billion at CooperVision, up 3% to 5% as reported or 6% to 8% pro forma growth, and $660 million to $680 million at CooperSurgical, up 1% to 4% as reported or 3% to 6% pro forma growth. Within these numbers, it's important to note that we forecast currency having a negative year-over-year impact of $61 million, with the heaviest impact being early in the year.

On a consolidated basis, we expect non-GAAP earnings per share in the range of $11.30 to $11.70 based on 50.1 million shares outstanding. Within this, we forecast currency to have a negative impact of $0.55, with the majority of the impact in the first half of the year. All this guidance assumes FX rates of our primary currencies being $1.13 for the Euro, $1.27 for the pound, and $1.13 for the yen.

Moving to high-level detail within the P&L, we expect fiscal 2019 gross and operating margins to improve slightly year-over-year. Interest is expected to be down only slightly as we are assuming three separate 25 basis point interest rate hikes.

For taxes, we're assuming 14% but that could go lower pending finalization of U.S. proposed regulations, continued legislation from global taxing authorities, and audit settlement discussions we're engaged in. Note, this tax rate does not include any assumption for excess tax benefits from stock-based compensation associated with the exercising of stock options but it does include an estimate of our normal scheduled vesting of equity grants.

Lastly on guidance, we're not providing quarterly details but given the number of moving pieces, especially with respect to currency early in the year, we'll note that we're currently expecting Q1 operating income to be down slightly year-over-year and Q2 to be up only slightly. In both Q1 and Q2, we expect the effective tax rate to be a little lower than in the back half of the year.

On free cash flow, we expect it to be similar to this past year's $475 million, although we believe there's upside above $500 million depending on CapEx requirements associated with growth and our one-day silicone hydrogel franchise.

And with that, I'll hand it back to the operator for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you'd like to ask a question over the phone, press "*1" on your telephone keypad. To everyone who is participating in today's Q&A session, we ask yourselves to limit yourself to two questions in the interest of time. If your questions have been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, simply press "#".

And our first question will come from the line of Jeff Johnson with Baird. Your line is now open.

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

Thanks, guys. Good evening. I hope you can hear me OK.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Hey, Jeff.

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Al, so, first question for you. Just on the Asia Pac numbers, I mean, obviously they've been strong for a long time. Double digits, I think, for, I don't know, three, three and a half years at this point. But they have kind of taken an uptick here in the last few quarters. One, just what's the sustainability on the Asia Pac, CVI kind of double digit and solid double-digit growth? And then I know you've been pointing a lot to some of these key accounts and some of the big retailers and that. We've heard about a couple you've won in Europe, some added activity here in the U.S. but kind of talk to me about the retail environment in Asia and where you might be winning some deals or how big of an effort that is there as well.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, good question. Asia Pac, obviously, had a really strong quarter and has done really well for a number of quarters. The future remains bright there. I mean, we have a good, strong 23% global market share but we're still under-indexed in Asia Pac at about a 16% market share. So, I envision years of strong growth there, frankly.

We have invested heavily on key accounts around the world. That includes within the Asia Pac region. There are opportunities there. As a matter of fact, there's a couple exciting opportunities we're working on right now that I hope we get and will help continue to drive the double-digit growth for many years. So, I won't get into those details but I will say that we are spending money building out key accounts. We're spending money on the advertising, the promotional activity, and feet on the street in Asia Pac and I'd say I feel good that you're going to continue to see double-digit growth in that region.

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

All right. That's helpful. And then, Brian, can you just help us on CVI gross margin? I know you don't guide margin by segment but, obviously, currency is going to have a headwind, it sounds like, in the first half of the year but then the pound starts helping in the back. So, it seems to me there's going to be more volatility, potentially, around CVI gross margin this year than maybe in some of the past years. So, any kind of color you can give us just on how to think about the gating of that line item throughout the year?

Brian G. Andrews -- Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Yeah. I would expect that it's going to be flat, more or less, year over year. Obviously, you had a pretty large FX impact this quarter and then some operational things that impacted but I would say, overall, flat.

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

And if you say flat overall, is that down in the first half and up in the second half? Again, just some gating throughout the year color.

Brian G. Andrews -- Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

No, really just flat throughout the year.

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Larry Biegelsen -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

Hey, guys, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. So, a couple for you, Al. So, on the Q3 call, you appeared to be comfortable with, let's say, $12.05 for fiscal 2019 or low single-digit reported EPS growth. So, can you walk through kind of what changed from the Q3 call to today, where you're at about, let's call it $11.50 at the midpoint or flat year-over-year? And I had one follow-up.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. You have a couple factors there we touched on. You'd have to kind of piece it together from some of Brian's discussions but, obviously, currency has moved against us since then and we're now looking at roughly $0.55 negative year-over-year currency impact. So that was a decent amount worse. You look at the effective tax rate. We said 14%. I think we finished the year at 7.7% if I'm remembering right. So a little bit bigger of an amount to hurdle there. And I guess the other point I would add is some of what I touched on early in the call there, which was some of the costs associated with the activity around the growth in daily silicones and distribution and logistics activity.

Larry Biegelsen -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

That's helpful. And then obviously you finished the year very strong in the second half in CVI and I heard your commentary on fiscal 2019 and the guidance. Obviously, you have, potentially, a couple of new competitors coming. So, my question is what makes you so confident in the 7% at the midpoint, and hopefully better, in fiscal 2019 with new competition coming? Thanks for taking the questions.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I look at the last three years for CooperVision. It's been kind of 7.5%, 7%, a little bit over 8% here this last quarter. I mean, we've had good strength and good momentum for a number of years. We have the products. We have the ability to sell those products, meaning good, solid shipping and delivery and logistics. We're putting advertising and promotional dollars there. So there's a lot of positive activity. And when I look at the new fit data, that makes me feel good about us being able to continue to post strong growth. Fully acknowledging the world has its issues and there could be some recessionary activity, fully appreciating we have competitors who are looking to launch new products and maybe not as fast as, at one point, people thought they were going to but still coming at some point.

So, there's pluses and minuses but when I look at our product portfolio and what we have going on today and the momentum we have with key accounts and different spots around the world, I feel pretty good that we should have another strong year this year.

Larry Biegelsen -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Lawrence Keusch with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Jonathan Chu -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Thank you, guys. This is John Chu in for Larry. A couple of quick questions, one strategic, one financial. Just on the strategic side, obviously, key accounts, it sounds like the strategy is going pretty well. I guess maybe related to that, is $5 million per quarter still the right way to think about the incremental spend? And maybe also as part of that, Al, if you could answer if you signed any new key accounts in the fourth quarter? And, specifically, are there any contracts specific with Clarity?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thanks, John. I won't get into individual accounts or signing new accounts. I will kind of confirm that, yes, the key accounts strategy is going well. Yes, we are making progress with relationships that we currently have and looking at some new relationships. So, feeling good about that. The $5 million per quarter? Yeah, that's probably a good way to look at it. The only kind of asterisk I would put on that is the more success we have, the more we would be willing to support those partners that we have, in terms of moving incremental new fits to CooperVision. Those costs that get associated with that are upfront costs and the life of that wearer is worth a lot more than that. So, I hope the key accounts strategy continues to progress as well as it's been progressing so that that $5 million per quarter holds for a little while here. Obviously, once some of that tails off, those costs can tail off too. So, we'll see how that plays out.

Jonathan Chu -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Excellent. Thanks for that. And then just on the financial question, how are you thinking about capital deployment in 2019? Is it still fair to assume that maybe debt pay down is a higher priority with the remainder for tuck-in M&A and share repurchase?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I would say that's true. We had a strong quarter, certainly, with respect to cash flow this quarter. And the team did a fantastic job cleaning up some intercompany loans and so forth so we could get some cash moved back over. And we paid down debt under $2 billion so a very strong step in the right direction this quarter and Q3 was strong also. So, I would say, hey, we're still in a raising rate environment. I am certainly fine taking proceeds and paying down debt and keeping a decent eye on smaller tuck-in acquisitions if we can find them and they make sense, meaning they provide sufficient returns, and, at the same time, looking at now maybe starting to deploy some additional dollars toward share repurchases.

Jonathan Chu -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Joanne Wuensch with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Joanne Wuensch -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

Hi. Good evening. A couple of questions. Could you give us an update on your product portfolio, particularly with fresh competition in torics from Bausch & Lomb and Alcon? And I'm just going to ramble off two other things quickly. In a rising interest rate environment, how do we think about interest expense next year? And you may have given this and I missed it, but what is your gross margin guidance for next year?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Let me touch on those and Brian will add some color here if I miss anything or say something wrong. On the product portfolio, we're in great shape, obviously, with our existing product portfolio, kind of across the board right now. So, we're pretty heavily focused on selling the products we have, be that Clarity or MyDay or Biofinity or Avaira Vitality and so forth. We do have products kind of in our back pocket, so to speak, that we'll be looking at rolling out over time and we'll see how that plays out. But we do have products, we are ready to be in a position of launching products in the near-term. Having said that, we're going to focus on the products with we have in the marketplace right now, where we're seeing pretty significant growth.

On interest expense, we're assuming three interest rate increases this year, which means interest expense will just kind of go down slightly year-over-year. And gross margins, even in the face of currency, on a consolidated basis, should increase a little bit, similar to operating margins.

Joanne Wuensch -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Matthew Mishan with KeyBanc. Your line is now open.

Matthew Mishan -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst

Great and thank you for taking the questions. Al, how are you thinking about the impact of Brexit and did you put some conservatism in numbers, given that's smack dab in the middle of your fiscal year?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, great question, Matt. It's a little bit of a tough one for us versus some of these guys who will be calendar year-end. As you can imagine, we've been doing a ton of work on Brexit. We might be a little bit better off than some of the multinationals in that we manufacture product and have distribution centers in the UK and Europe and other spots, so we're fairly diversified. But, yes, we did factor in costs associated with Brexit in our guidance. We've done some work around increasing inventory in some locations outside of the UK to minimize any potential disruptions, if there is kind of a "hard" exit, if you will. I think there's risk for all of us if they can't come to some sort of decent resolution. So, I won't speculate on that. I think we'll get some answers on that fairly soon and I'm kind of keeping my fingers crossed. But short answer being, yes, doing a ton of work on it; yes, included some costs in our guidance for next fiscal year.

Matthew Mishan -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst

And then just to follow up on the gross margin, how should we think about the timeline of the changes you're making in distribution, when those facilities fully come online? And also I think you were talking a little bit about the gradual decline of the equipment and inventory charges. Can you just walk through the timing of both of those through next year?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Absolutely. Yeah. So, if we look at the distribution side, you have two components of that. You have distribution expense, which is going to be higher this year. We're going to see that throughout the year and probably some even into 2020, as we start all these facilities up and complete all this automation kind of activity. And then I think you'll see -- my guess is distribution expenses kind of grow equal with revenues in fiscal 2020 and then we'll start seeing some real leverage out of that.

If I look at the impact to us internally, which hits in our cost of goods, you're going to see higher COGS here because we have some duplicative costs and some inefficiencies. Because, I mean, basically, what we're doing is we're kind of -- think of it as the analogy of we're changing the tires on the car while the car is moving. You know? I mean, we're continuing to run our business, maintain very high-quality shipping standards, and so forth while doing all these upgrades. And we decided to do all that while maintaining premier customer service. So that's costing us some.

The nice things about that is we should have higher costs this year, while we take care of all of our customers and so forth, but I would expect to see that starting to decline as we move through this year and probably be gone next year. So, we'll see those kind of improvements in fiscal '20. That would kind of be the piece of that.

When I look at the other side, we did have a very strong quarter in Q3 and a very strong quarter in Q4 when it comes to silicone hydrogel sales. All indications are that's going to continue for the market and for us. That puts pressure on our legacy hydrogel products. When we look to discontinue some of the products or when we cut back on manufacturing volume and end up either writing off inventory or writing off some equipment. So, I think we're going to have some of that activity. I think we're going to see kind of heightened costs associated with that in fiscal '19 but then I think all the pluses of the power, if you will, of the successes around all the dailies moves will allow us to be in a year-over-year improving position in fiscal 2020. So, I kind of like our chances for a good fiscal 2020 based on that.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Brian Weinstein with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Brian Weinstein -- William Blair & Company -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Al, you had mentioned -- somebody had mentioned, I think, on the call something about recessionary activity. And it's one of the things that we were going to ask you about. We haven't really seen a weaker economic environment as you guys have been rolling out daily silicone hydrogels so can you talk about what you think the elasticity of demand is if we were to see the macro economy start to tip over a little bit in the U.S. and elsewhere?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I mean, I definitely think, if you look at history, we're a recession-resistant business. We've seen that before, where we've hit heavier recessions and the contact lens industry still grows. And I would expect that same thing here. You have the product trade-up. You still have geographic expansion. You have expansion of products themselves, better torics, better multifocals, and so forth. So, it obviously depends on the extent of the recession and what happens but I would say that even in a decent recession, the contact lens market is still going to be flat to growing and I would expect us to be growing faster than the market.

Brian Weinstein -- William Blair & Company -- Analyst

All right. And then speaking about the market, you talked about it being $8.5 billion now, with dailies, I think you said 52% of the market and si-hys there on the daily side in about 30%. I think, historically, you've talked about then eventually getting to 50%. Is there any change in where you see that going? Do you now have confidence that it's potentially above 50% of the daily market and how long do you think it takes before we get to that point?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I mean, I think that what you're seeing right now, and you hear from the competitors, are people are coming out fully recognizing, acknowledging, whether it's the manufacturers or the practitioners themselves, that, yes, daily silicones make sense. Right? Because, I mean, for a little while, it was like, "Do silicones make sense in the daily? Do you need them or do you just need them in reusables?" Well, no, you need them in dailies. It's best for the eye, it's best for our patients, we all understand that, and the whole market and industry is moving in that direction.

So, to me, I think when you look at the percentage of silicones and reusable lenses, which is now 82%, and you look at what's ultimately going to happen within the daily market and how much of the daily market moves there, I certainly believe that we'll go over 50%. As a matter of fact, I believe we'll go well north of 50%. So, we'll see how that plays out and the timing and so forth but everything from the market perspective is indicating that that growth is going to continue, that strong growth is going to continue. And, yeah, I strongly believe we'll be well north of 50%. Ultimately, we'll see where it goes but I think it's going to be much, much higher than that.

Brian Weinstein -- William Blair & Company -- Analyst

Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of John Block with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Jonathan Block -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. -- Analyst

Great. Thanks, guys. Maybe two questions. Al, first one for you. When I really look at dailies number -- I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you have an estimate of the incremental market share that you believe you're now capturing within the dailies market relative to the 17% share that you cited today? And then maybe just to tack on to that, also just want to ask if there was any benefit this quarter with, call it "catch up" on Energys, which I believe may have had some manufacturing constraints last quarter? And then I've just got a follow-up.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Quickly, on Energys, I would say that we have some effort going in there and the product is certainly doing well and growing. I can't remember the number but well, well, well north of what Biofinity is growing. So, I wouldn't say there was catch-up in there. I think the Biofinity number and Avaira combined at 7% was kind of a true number. As I mentioned last quarter, we do have capacity that's come online in Q2 and Q3 so I think we're in a better position to continue to grow that but I wouldn't put a lot of emphasis on that.

When you look at the daily si-hy side of things, we talked about this in the past, it's a little tough when you get CLI data, gross versus net and everything else. But at the end of the day, silicone hydrogel lenses grew about 35% market-wise for the third calendar quarter. And obviously we're growing well north of that.

Jonathan Block -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. -- Analyst

Okay. So, that 35%, just to clarify, is sort of relative to the 50+% that you cited.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

That's right.

Jonathan Block -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. -- Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just to switch gears over to CSI. So, Paragard, really strong number, 20%. I think you mentioned some channel in there. But I'm just curious, from a rep perspective, where you think you may top out? And it's hard to maybe predict that when you're growing at that sort of rate. But just thinking about tying this back to drop-through in OpEx, leverage within the Paragard franchise. You're up to 70, where do we start to see that level off? Thanks for your time.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think we're probably getting to that point where that needs to level off here fairly soon. I think that if we have a lot of success and things are going really well, could that get up to 100 sales reps? I mean, I would say that's possible. That would probably be the high point, if I had to guess, based on that product and the analysis that I've seen that we've done internally. So, I would kind of say, yeah, we're at 70. That includes 20 internal. Do we continue to add people? Maybe. Maybe. Again, I wouldn't see us going any higher than 100. I do think that that product is a mid-single-digit grower this year and next year and the following year and we're in a good spot with good momentum on that. So, we'll see how that plays out. The stronger that is, the more we would look at adding select sales reps and very, very targeted marketing and sales activity in certain cities where we don't cover right now.

Jonathan Block -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Jaffray. Your line is now open.

Matthew O'Brien -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Thanks so much for taking the questions. Just one market question for you, Al, and then a follow-up. I was a little bit curious to hear you talk about the outlook for the market in '19. You're coming off of about a 7% growth rate in this market. It sounds like the dailies are going really well. So I'm wondering why you're backing off that ever so slightly. I don't want to over read it too much. Also within there, are you starting to see fallout rates or dropout rates come down slightly because of more and more use of dailies?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Well, quickly, on dailies, you have to love them. I mean, you don't have solution. So what you end up with is people moving into dailies and they're much more compliant and, yeah, the dropout is not as high. Now, having said that, a lot of those wearers have spectacles and they're going to wear glasses and so forth so it's a little different kind of thing than on the reusables space.

When I look at the market, I mean, you're right. The market, if I look at trailing 12 months, has grown around 7%, something like that. I think the market is going to continue to be pretty strong. I mean, we've talked for a number of years about the market growing 4% to 6% and we were scratching our head for a while as to why it was at 4% with everything going on. Now you've seen that acceleration. It's moving up into that more consistent 6% to 7% kind of growth each quarter and, obviously, that moves up and down a little bit. But you see that. You see us growing faster than that.

I honestly think that's going to continue. I do. I believe the market's going to stay strong. I think J&J is doing a nice job and I think they're going to stay strong, trading up wearers. Obviously, everyone sees what Alcon's doing and trying to come to market and where Bausch is and you know where we stand and you know my optimism about where we are. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. Right? We're giving initial guidance for the year and we're looking at where we're going on a full-year basis and there's a lot of things that could happen. A lot of different moving parts around the world. But do I feel good about the market being 4% to 6% and being in the upper part of that or even a little bit above that? Yeah. And do I feel good about us in the 6% to 8% and being able to push toward the middle or upper part of that? Yeah, I do.

Matthew O'Brien -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Okay. And then the follow-up is a little bit of a strange one on the CSI business. But you work with Utah Medical on this Filshie Clip sterilization business. They've commented that you're kind of backing off of that business. So, are you just more focused on selling Paragard at this point or is there a product issue specifically with that that you're stepping away from? Or are you just going to shut that business and then focus on the higher-margin products going forward?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Office

Yeah. I mean, I won't comment on a specific relationship or a product like that. That's a relatively small product. I will say that, yes, we are heavily focused on Paragard. There's no question about that. But when I look at the Filshie Clip, which is part of the rest of our office's surgical products business, those medical devices, I mean, we had another strong quarter at 7%. That's a good business. Mark Valentine runs that business for us out of Trumbull and has done a really nice job there driving growth in that business. So, we are absolutely focused on our medical devices, our core OB/GYN business there in addition to Paragard and we'll continue to be heavily focused on that business in fiscal '19.

Matthew O'Brien -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Robbie Marcus with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Christian Moore -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking the question. This is actually Christian on for Robbie. I just have two on CVI. Not to belabor the market outlook point but, Al, I know you mentioned that you see it growing in the 5% to 6% range. What's kind of your timeframe for that outlook? The reason I ask is because one of your competitors recently mentioned that they see a 4% CAGR in the 2018 to 2023 range. So, where does your perspective differ on that? And then on that as well, do you have anything baked in for 2019 for any kind of different impact for Alcon as a stand-alone company? And then I have one more. Thanks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Office

Yeah. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when Alcon was kind of making their comment of 4% growth, that was a broader comment and I believe they were including solutions in that. If that's accurate, that would explain it. Obviously, the solutions market is under pressure because of the growth of the dailies. So, I think when you look at the contact lens market, to be saying that it's a 5+% grower, or 5% to 6% or whatever, I believe we probably have five years in front of us of that because I think the shift, the trade-up shift from hydrogel dailies to silicone hydrogel dailies, frankly, probably has five, six, seven years in front of it. So, I think that will drive pretty decent growth for a long time. I think that that shift alone is going to put a lot of pressure on contact lens solutions. We have a contact lens solutions business. It's relatively small but it actually declined year-over-year for us. So, I'm assuming that they included that in there.

And then when you look at the impact from Alcon, it's hard to speculate on that. I mean, I think that that would certainly be built into our 6% to 8% guidance that we gave.

Christian Moore -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then just to follow-up, you started to talk more recently about the customized product offerings, which I know used to be called "private label" but you're not using that terminology anymore. Can you just help us understand how much of the existing base -- maybe not hard numbers, but just at a high level -- how much of your existing sales base is driven from that customized product offerings? And then where you kind of see that going forward in the future, in terms of becoming a much larger portion of Cooper's business? Thanks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Office

Sure. Yeah. And private label being part of customized products. It falls under that umbrella, right? When I look at customized product offerings, we're talking about -- it could be all the way to specialized lens but customized packaging, distribution, labeling, shipping, a whole variety of things. Right? The store brand name and so forth. So, it's a broader component than just saying private label and I think that's key. Because when people think of private label or when I think of private label, you could think about going into the grocery store and grabbing a different milk. It goes well, well, well beyond that, this entire kind of customized product offering that we have.

And, frankly, I believe the market's going to continue to shift in that direction, which it has been. The market is kind of splitting and saying, yeah, branded is important. There's no question about that. But these customized product offerings are important also. And being able to offer premier shipping and specialized, customized services to people is very important.

So, that's a big part of our business right now. I guess I won't put numbers on it but I'd say it's a pretty decent part of our business right now and it's growing. We're here to drive new wearers to contact lenses. We're here to help our partners drive those wearers. So, at the end of the day, a key thing for us is there's wearers out there that are going to practitioners' offices and we want to help, whether that's a retail chain or buying group or whatever it is. But we want to help that partner grow the category and help them retain their wearers. So, all that kind of customization is a big sell point for us, in terms of being able to do that.

Christian Moore -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking the question.

Operator

Thank you. And as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, that is "*1". And our next question will come from the line of Isaac Ro with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Isaac Ro -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Good afternoon, guys. Thank you. The first question on CSI, second one on free cash flow. On the CSI side, it seems like your guidance for next year is a little conservative when we consider how well Paragard is doing and the fact that you're calling for a return to growth in the fertility side. So, can you maybe help us reconcile kind of some of the push/pulls on what would get you to sort of the higher end of the range versus lower end? I'm just trying to think about where you guys see risk in either direction on that part of the business.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, sure. And I hope you're right. I hope that that range is conservative. We thought about that a decent amount as we were pulling it together. Because I think that the fertility business is going to be a mid-upper single digit grower, including the genomics piece in there. I do think Paragard is going to be mid-single digits and I'd like to think that, frankly, both of those have some upside. And then I look at the base business, and we've always talked about low single digits, and we had a couple of good quarters there and I'd like to think that continues strong. So, I feel maybe overly optimistic but being in the upper part of that range is something we can do.

Having said that, the base part of the business for a number of years was relatively flat. A lot of those products are older products. So, we've had some success but if that goes back to kind of being flat, it's a decent part of our business, and if Paragard is, indeed, a mid-single digit grower, I could see us getting toward the bottom end of that range. So, I would hope that doesn't happen and I'm optimistic it won't but I think, again, to start the year off, that's kind of a good, prudent range to provide.

Isaac Ro -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Makes sense. Okay. And then on the free cash flow, interested in some of the moving parts between working capital changes and CapEx. And the reason I ask is you look like you guys were on track for a pretty good uptick, year-on-year, this year for CapEx. I think last year was just over $100 million. This year, trending closer to $200 million. So, if you could give us a sense of, when you mention the investments you're making to serve the customer for next year, what that means for the CapEx trajectory and whether or not there are any other moving parts in working capital that would help deride that free cash number that you guided to. Thanks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I wouldn't put too much on working capital. We're getting a lot of growth outside of the U.S., which puts some pressure on working capital. I think you'll get a little fluctuation because some of inventory, and we discussed Brexit a little earlier, maybe being a little higher and then coming down. But, net-net, I probably wouldn't put too much on that.

I think the bigger pressure point is on CapEx related to daily manufacturing lines. At the end of the day, I think that's the key point. We have a number of new lines coming in right now that we've ordered. I feel good about all the capacity expansion that we're doing. If we keep going like we're going, we might have to order some additional lines and you're going to have more payments. So, I definitely think we're going to be over $200 million of CapEx this year. I mean, we're ordering in anticipation of continued strong growth so I think you'll see that. And that'll be the kind of one thing that holds back CapEx a little bit. Otherwise, we'd probably get a pretty good pop because operating cash flow is going to show a nice increase.

So, I think we'll see how that plays out during the year. I'd say, yeah, I feel pretty good about at least being able to put up another strong year approaching 500 and we'll see. I mean, as I said earlier on something else, I kind of would like to see all this key account business continue to grow and our revenues continue to grow as strong as it is, which would mean maybe ordering a couple more lines, which would be OK.

Isaac Ro -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Okay. Thanks for all that detail.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Anthony Petrone with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Anthony Petrone -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Just a few on margins and I'll just throw them out there. Maybe can you give us a sense, Al, of just margins from key accounts? Is that a headwind or is that a neutral factor? And then maybe a little bit of color on the British pound. Obviously, that's down. I'm just wondering when should we expect that benefit to roll through the P&L. And then, lastly, just on sales force expansion, obviously, that was a build in 2018. Are those done and is that a neutral factor for next year? Thanks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I'll take those backwards. Sales force expansion, we are still continuing to add to our sales force but more in the normal course of business right now. Adding sales people as we grow, where it makes sense. You see that in Asia Pac, as a good example. But I wouldn't pull that out, as we had in the past, and say that's a big kind of bulbous expense or something associated with this year because we're in pretty good shape with the sales force expansion that we've done over the last couple of years. So, I'd kind of say that's normal.

With respect to the pound, we'll see what's going to happen with Brexit and that pound can move around a lot, obviously. That rolls through our P&L six months later. We still manufacture a decent part of our product in the UK and then those costs get capitalized where that currency rate is and flows through our P&L roughly six months later. So, there is a delay in terms of the pound. And if you're trying to model our currency, you get the obvious immediate impact on currency and revenues and operating expenses with the lag in the pound, which I know creates problems now and then when trying to model individual quarters. But that's the easiest way to think about it is a six-month lag.

With respect to key account margins, I'm going to answer that from an operating margin perspective, which is the way that we have a tendency to look at our business, and that, we tried to make it a win-win. We try to make it a win for our partners who we're working with who are going to drive revenues and drive profitability and we try to do the same for us. So, I'm not going to really get into the specifics around any individual or even key accounts, in general, but we've obviously built all that into our guidance and we do expect, even in the face of currency, operating margins to expand a little bit this year over last year.

Anthony Petrone -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Chris Pasquale with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is now open.

Christopher Hartstein -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Hi, this is Chris Hartstein in for Chris. I have another question on the surgical side of the business. Over a year ago, when you announced the Paragard deal, you gave accretion guidance of $0.70 to $0.75. But if I remember correctly, this guidance assumed a 4% interest rate and a 35% U.S. tax rate, both of which look a bit conservative a year later. Could you please provide where the accretion shook out for the full year there? Thanks. And I have a follow-up.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Sure. I'm not going to give you a specific number on that because, honestly, I haven't calculated it. I will agree with you that, from the time we did that deal, when you look at the tax rate and you look at the success of the business, the revenues -- because, obviously, we gave some initial revenues guidance versus where we came in -- that has turned out to be a very nice deal. And the returns on that are much stronger than we had anticipated they were going to be when they did the deal.

Having said that, let's not forget that we did add a lot of salespeople. I mean, initially, we were looking at our existing sales force in medical device products selling that product. We've split that now, where we have kind of the two sales forces, one selling medical device products, one selling Paragard. And we've done a lot of advertising and promotional work there in order to drive success in fiscal '19. So, at some point, I believe those sales groups will come back together. Maybe that's a couple years out but we'll pull that together so we're selling as more one unified front. But I'd say, yeah, a number of pluses. More pluses than anything. But a number of investments in that business also.

Christopher Hartstein -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Okay. Great. That's a nice lead-in for my next question. In that same vein, it's now been three straight quarters of above-trend growth in the Paragard business, given investments you've been making there. And a year after, there was a New England Journal of Medicine study linking hormonal contraceptives to a higher risk of breast cancer. Why do you still view this as a mid-single digit grower as we look ahead into fiscal '19, especially considering the easy accounting related comp in 1Q? Thanks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I'm optimistic about Paragard growth and, as a matter of fact, we've made some good advancements there. I mean, we have a new website, if you go to paragard.com, which is much better, I think, than the old one. And we're doing some really targeted marketing activity. The marketing team there has done a really, really nice job. I'm impressed with everything coming out of that group. And it builds on, you're right, the New England Journal of Medicine publication and so forth, which is a positive for that product as a non-hormonal IUD option. I would say all that stuff positive, all good, feel good about the momentum, feel good about the opportunity for a multi-year growth strategy.

I always try to temper that with this is a product that's been in the market for 30 years. So, you are seeing IUDs grow. You're seeing our product, actually, obviously, show better growth than the marketplace there and we feel good about it. But it is a product that has been around a long time. So, I definitely do not want to get out in front of ourselves there. I'm hoping that we can continue to put up some good numbers there though.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Steve Willoughby with Cleveland Research. Your line is now open.

Robert Cottrell -- Cleveland Research Company -- Analyst

Hey, good evening. This is actually Rob Cottrell on for Steve. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Two quick questions around longer-term outlook. One, with the trade-up to dailies, can that frequent replacement other line continue to grow in that 2% range over the long-term?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, that's a good question. When you look at that reusable market, it is growing a little bit. It grew just a little bit this quarter. We're obviously growing a little bit faster. I believe that where we're probably settling in right now, when you look at the reusable market -- meaning all the two-week and the monthly market -- that there is some growth there from products like Biofinity Energys and some of the torics and some of the multifocals out there. And there's some growth opportunities as you move into more emerging markets because of the cost point of those. So, I do think that we're going to be flat to up slightly there. I think that's probably the way to look at it long-term or at least for many years in front of us. All the growth, real growth, will be coming from dailies and especially silicone hydrogel dailies. But, yeah, I think the reusable market, flat to up a little bit, probably, is where it holds.

Robert Cottrell -- Cleveland Research Company -- Analyst

Great. Thanks, Al. And then, lastly, just you mentioned myopia control leading to increased R&D activities. Have you put any numbers around the opportunity for that, either in near-term or longer-term?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

We have not yet. Stay tuned on that. That's something we're excited about. We're definitely excited about that. We're excited about the clinical work we've done. We're excited about the reception that we're seeing from the market. Some of our key accounts, who are more strategic and kind of looking ahead a little bit more, are analyzing that to see how they can properly roll that out. We're trying to work with them on that. So, that is an area we're excited about, intrigued about, but it's still early stage so, no, we have not put numbers on that. But stay tuned.

Robert Cottrell -- Cleveland Research Company -- Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Steven Lichtman with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Steven Lichtman -- Oppenheimer & Co. -- Analyst

Thank you. Hi, guys. Just going back to Asia Pac, you talked about the strength there earlier. In your prepared remarks, Al, I think you specifically talked about a jump in Clarity in Asia Pac. Is there something in particular that's opened up in the Asia Pac market specifically for Clarity or nothing really to call out?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I'm not sure I'd highlight anything in particular, necessarily, other than that region has a little bit lower market share and so the size of it is a little bit lower. When you look at Clarity, it's doing well there. We're rolling out in a number of countries there. And I'm not sure I'd highlight, necessarily, anything specific other than the product is doing well and it has actually accelerated off.

Steven Lichtman -- Oppenheimer & Co. -- Analyst

Got it. And then as you look at your outlook for the market, is your underlying assumption on price relatively flat? I mean, what's your overall view on price as you think about price increases versus rebates, etc.?

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Right now, it's flat. You're right. If you look at core pricing maybe going up a little bit but the rebate activity creating an environment where, net, it's flat. That's kind of how we're looking at it right now. I probably say this every call but I'd love to see pricing start to move up. That could be some easy growth for us. We are not forecasting or assuming that right now.

Steven Lichtman -- Oppenheimer & Co. -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks, Al.

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions in the queue so now it is my pleasure to hand the conference back over to Al White, President and Chief Executive Officer, for closing comments or remarks.

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Great. Thank you, everyone. Appreciate your time and we're going to continue to plug away. We're going to continue to work hard. Everything we talked to you guys about, we're going to continue to work hard to execute on and look forward to catching up in roughly 90 days again on our next quarter and hopefully deliver a positive message. So, with that, we'll sign off and speak with everyone later. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation on today's conference. This does conclude our program and we may all disconnect. Everybody, have a wonderful day.

Duration: 60 minutes

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Kim Duncan -- Vice President of Investor Relations and Administration

Albert G. White III -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Brian G. Andrews -- Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Jeffrey Johnson -- Robert W. Baird & Co. -- Analyst

Larry Biegelsen -- Wells Fargo Securities -- Analyst

Jonathan Chu -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Joanne Wuensch -- BMO Capital Markets -- Analyst

Matthew Mishan -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst

Brian Weinstein -- William Blair & Company -- Analyst

Jonathan Block -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. -- Analyst

Matthew O'Brien -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Christian Moore -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Isaac Ro -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Anthony Petrone -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Christopher Hartstein -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Robert Cottrell -- Cleveland Research Company -- Analyst

Steven Lichtman -- Oppenheimer & Co. -- Analyst

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